Shudders on highway & Dies at Stop signs

YES to both. Besides crap in the tank or fuel filter, you could have
water in the tank, too.

Kate

2005-07-01 00:14:41 UTC

Post by PCB62
Help!
This has been going on about a month now.
About 15 minutes into my 30 minute drive to and from work, my truck will
shudder or lurch like it momentarily loses power. It feels like running
over a speed bump on the highway. This may happen 2 or 3 times before
getting to where I'm going. I don't think I'm losing total electrical power
because there is no break in the radio or AC. This also happens with the
radio and AC off...
Also, about a couple times each week, when I come to a stop, the truck will
just die. Starts right back up with no problem...
There are no check engine lights.
I took it to the shop and they ran a diagnostic with no results and told me
to take it to Dodge.
Dodge did a diagnostic with no results. So they started playing the
1) Change spark plugs
2) Change PVC Valve
3) BG Major fuel induction system service with injector kit and
throttle body gasket
Nothing has changed!!!
QUESTION: Can an electrical fuel pump gradually go on the fritz (dumb
question, I know) and/or after driving for a while can the motion of the
truck shake up any crap in the fuel filter and clog it up enough to cause
the above problems?
Dodge wants $700.00 to drop the tank and replace the fuel pump and filter.
Can't afford this to be another guess...
Any guidance would be appreciated.
Thanks
PCB

I'm sorry this isn't an answer, I'm here looking for answers too and
yours was the only post with the same problem.

Our 99 Durango has been doing exactly the same thing. It dies about
once a week now. I got an answer from this group about six months ago
and it did work for a while. We went for months with no stalls and
then it started again. That first solution doesn't seem to be working
anymore. Here's what we did back then just in case you want to try
it.

We took the air cleaner off and cleaned out those butterfly things
with carburetor cleaner and a soft cloth. The gunk builds up in there
and it's kind of a fine powder when it comes off. Anyway, I don't
know if that was what made it work or if it was just a coincidence,
but for a while it was fixed. It started dying at stops about a month
ago.

Right now we're where you are. We've been told that it's "probably"
the fuel pump, but we were also told it's "probably" the coil, (bought
a new one- it wasn't that.) and it's "probably" electrical. We were
told by Dodge that a fuel pump would be $800 and by a friend that it
would be $300. Auto Zone has one for $180 and one for $240. With all
the differences in price, we don't know what to do. My instincts tell
me to go with the friend for 300, but he's never changed one before.
The Dodge guys would have a warranty but I don't trust them.* It's
just more guessing games. Diagnostics came up clean a week ago and
the mechanic said he would have to drive it around for a few days
until it quits and then he could tell us what's wrong. (I don't know
if he was serious or not.)

This Durango is a 99 and only has 30,000 miles on it. It still looks
like new and I love driving it but I can't trust it. Even after the
fuel pump is changed we won't know for sure if that was it until it
dies again. (Right now we're looking at Toyotas.)

*The last time we took it to the Dodge dealership because the check
engine light wouldn't go off, we noticed when we got home that someone
had left a little bent paper-clip laying on top of the battery. It
was bent into a perfect U and the two points were an inch apart.
Anybody know what that might have been used for? Is there anything in
the engine that's the right size to be damaged by sticking that wire
into it? It could be something they use as a tool, but it looks very
suspicious.

We never said anything to them about it but now that we're having
trouble we do wonder.

TranSurgeon

2005-07-01 00:32:02 UTC

there is a filter screen between the lockup / overdrive solenoid assembly
(accessible with the pan off and a T-25 Torx, RH side of the valve body, has
a three wire harness going to it, white-black-red); if the filter for the
lock-up solenoid is plugged, it will lock-up immediately as it hits 2nd and
stay locked up till it drops into first on the coast-down

don't know if this fits your symptoms exactly, but you might check it

the filter screen / gasket wil be stuck tight to the solenoids, don't try to
take it off, just wash the dirt off the exposed side with carb cleaner or
similar

WARNING: it WILL plug again, that dirt is being generated
somewhere............

I'm sorry this isn't an answer, I'm here looking for answers too and
yours was the only post with the same problem.
Our 99 Durango has been doing exactly the same thing. It dies about
once a week now. I got an answer from this group about six months ago
and it did work for a while. We went for months with no stalls and
then it started again. That first solution doesn't seem to be working
anymore. Here's what we did back then just in case you want to try
it.
We took the air cleaner off and cleaned out those butterfly things
with carburetor cleaner and a soft cloth. The gunk builds up in there
and it's kind of a fine powder when it comes off. Anyway, I don't
know if that was what made it work or if it was just a coincidence,
but for a while it was fixed. It started dying at stops about a month
ago.
Right now we're where you are. We've been told that it's "probably"
the fuel pump, but we were also told it's "probably" the coil, (bought
a new one- it wasn't that.) and it's "probably" electrical. We were
told by Dodge that a fuel pump would be $800 and by a friend that it
would be $300. Auto Zone has one for $180 and one for $240. With all
the differences in price, we don't know what to do. My instincts tell
me to go with the friend for 300, but he's never changed one before.
The Dodge guys would have a warranty but I don't trust them.* It's
just more guessing games. Diagnostics came up clean a week ago and
the mechanic said he would have to drive it around for a few days
until it quits and then he could tell us what's wrong. (I don't know
if he was serious or not.)
This Durango is a 99 and only has 30,000 miles on it. It still looks
like new and I love driving it but I can't trust it. Even after the
fuel pump is changed we won't know for sure if that was it until it
dies again. (Right now we're looking at Toyotas.)
*The last time we took it to the Dodge dealership because the check
engine light wouldn't go off, we noticed when we got home that someone
had left a little bent paper-clip laying on top of the battery. It
was bent into a perfect U and the two points were an inch apart.
Anybody know what that might have been used for? Is there anything in
the engine that's the right size to be damaged by sticking that wire
into it? It could be something they use as a tool, but it looks very
suspicious.
We never said anything to them about it but now that we're having
trouble we do wonder.

TranSurgeon

2005-07-01 00:45:18 UTC

should read 'between LU / OD solenoid.......and the main valve body'

Post by TranSurgeon
there is a filter screen between the lockup / overdrive solenoid assembly
(accessible with the pan off and a T-25 Torx, RH side of the valve body, has
a three wire harness going to it, white-black-red); if the filter for the
lock-up solenoid is plugged, it will lock-up immediately as it hits 2nd and
stay locked up till it drops into first on the coast-down
don't know if this fits your symptoms exactly, but you might check it
the filter screen / gasket wil be stuck tight to the solenoids, don't try to
take it off, just wash the dirt off the exposed side with carb cleaner or
similar
WARNING: it WILL plug again, that dirt is being generated
somewhere............

power

Post by PCB62
because there is no break in the radio or AC. This also happens with the
radio and AC off...
Also, about a couple times each week, when I come to a stop, the truck

will

Post by PCB62
just die. Starts right back up with no problem...
There are no check engine lights.
I took it to the shop and they ran a diagnostic with no results and

told

Post by TranSurgeon
me

Post by PCB62
to take it to Dodge.
Dodge did a diagnostic with no results. So they started playing the
1) Change spark plugs
2) Change PVC Valve
3) BG Major fuel induction system service with injector kit and
throttle body gasket
Nothing has changed!!!
QUESTION: Can an electrical fuel pump gradually go on the fritz (dumb
question, I know) and/or after driving for a while can the motion of the
truck shake up any crap in the fuel filter and clog it up enough to cause
the above problems?
Dodge wants $700.00 to drop the tank and replace the fuel pump and

filter.

Post by PCB62
Can't afford this to be another guess...
Any guidance would be appreciated.
Thanks
PCB

I'm sorry this isn't an answer, I'm here looking for answers too and
yours was the only post with the same problem.
Our 99 Durango has been doing exactly the same thing. It dies about
once a week now. I got an answer from this group about six months ago
and it did work for a while. We went for months with no stalls and
then it started again. That first solution doesn't seem to be working
anymore. Here's what we did back then just in case you want to try
it.
We took the air cleaner off and cleaned out those butterfly things
with carburetor cleaner and a soft cloth. The gunk builds up in there
and it's kind of a fine powder when it comes off. Anyway, I don't
know if that was what made it work or if it was just a coincidence,
but for a while it was fixed. It started dying at stops about a month
ago.
Right now we're where you are. We've been told that it's "probably"
the fuel pump, but we were also told it's "probably" the coil, (bought
a new one- it wasn't that.) and it's "probably" electrical. We were
told by Dodge that a fuel pump would be $800 and by a friend that it
would be $300. Auto Zone has one for $180 and one for $240. With all
the differences in price, we don't know what to do. My instincts tell
me to go with the friend for 300, but he's never changed one before.
The Dodge guys would have a warranty but I don't trust them.* It's
just more guessing games. Diagnostics came up clean a week ago and
the mechanic said he would have to drive it around for a few days
until it quits and then he could tell us what's wrong. (I don't know
if he was serious or not.)
This Durango is a 99 and only has 30,000 miles on it. It still looks
like new and I love driving it but I can't trust it. Even after the
fuel pump is changed we won't know for sure if that was it until it
dies again. (Right now we're looking at Toyotas.)
*The last time we took it to the Dodge dealership because the check
engine light wouldn't go off, we noticed when we got home that someone
had left a little bent paper-clip laying on top of the battery. It
was bent into a perfect U and the two points were an inch apart.
Anybody know what that might have been used for? Is there anything in
the engine that's the right size to be damaged by sticking that wire
into it? It could be something they use as a tool, but it looks very
suspicious.
We never said anything to them about it but now that we're having
trouble we do wonder.

Ray

2016-10-29 15:18:01 UTC

replying to Kate, Ray wrote:
I would say the ground to in tank fuel pump has loosened up and when u hit a
bump right it loses ground. I have seen bolts that fell of n werent discovered
until the new fuel pump didnt solve the problem.

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NerdRevenge

2005-07-01 17:48:46 UTC

It could also be a problem with throttle position sensor

NerdRevenge

2005-07-01 18:53:34 UTC

Why would you pay for something that was not fixed????
You took it in to get fixed, not to replace a bunch of parts that do not
need replacing.

If they play the guessing game, they have to pay for THEIR mistakes, not
charge you for them.
Thye are the ones who are suppose to know what is wrong with it, after all
are they not "factory certified"?

Post by PCB62
QUESTION: Can an electrical fuel pump gradually go on the fritz (dumb
question, I know) and/or after driving for a while can the motion of the
truck shake up any crap in the fuel filter and clog it up enough to cause
the above problems?
Dodge wants $700.00 to drop the tank and replace the fuel pump and filter.
Can't afford this to be another guess...
Any guidance would be appreciated.
Thanks
PCB

bad

2007-01-11 00:22:17 UTC

try replacing filter and air cleaner first, always try to eliminate cheaper
first. good luck

Stormin Mormon

2007-01-12 02:45:34 UTC

I had a stumbles, fails, and then restarts problem. After some
complicated work (like pulling the fuel pickup out of the gas
tank) it turned out to be a clogged air filter.

Like he says, change the air and fuel filters, first.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.

Post by bad
try replacing filter and air cleaner first, always try to

eliminate cheaper

Post by bad
first. good luck

Post by PCB62
Help!
This has been going on about a month now.
About 15 minutes into my 30 minute drive to and from work, my truck will
shudder or lurch like it momentarily loses power. It feels

like running

Post by PCB62
over a speed bump on the highway. This may happen 2 or 3

times before

Post by PCB62
getting to where I'm going. I don't think I'm losing total

electrical

Post by PCB62
power
because there is no break in the radio or AC. This also

happens with the

Post by PCB62
radio and AC off...
Also, about a couple times each week, when I come to a stop,

the truck

Post by PCB62
will
just die. Starts right back up with no problem...
There are no check engine lights.
I took it to the shop and they ran a diagnostic with no

results and told

Post by PCB62
me
to take it to Dodge.
Dodge did a diagnostic with no results. So they started

playing the

Post by PCB62
1) Change spark plugs
2) Change PVC Valve
3) BG Major fuel induction system service with injector

kit and

Post by PCB62
throttle body gasket
Nothing has changed!!!
QUESTION: Can an electrical fuel pump gradually go on the

fritz (dumb

Post by PCB62
question, I know) and/or after driving for a while can the

motion of the

Post by PCB62
truck shake up any crap in the fuel filter and clog it up

enough to cause

Post by PCB62
the above problems?
Dodge wants $700.00 to drop the tank and replace the fuel

pump and filter.

Post by PCB62
Can't afford this to be another guess...
Any guidance would be appreciated.
Thanks
PCB

unknown

2007-01-12 19:31:51 UTC

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:45:34 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"

Post by Stormin Mormon
I had a stumbles, fails, and then restarts problem. After some
complicated work (like pulling the fuel pickup out of the gas
tank) it turned out to be a clogged air filter.
Like he says, change the air and fuel filters, first.

Then check the EGR. EGR stuck on at idle will definitely do it.

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GeekBoy

2007-01-13 09:45:53 UTC

Post by unknown
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:45:34 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"

Then check the EGR. EGR stuck on at idle will definitely do it.
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So will the throttle sensor.

Scootter

2007-01-15 07:26:10 UTC